256: Miles Burris Podcast
Miles Burris: Transitioning from the NFL to the acting world and thriving. He was drafted as a Raider and played 3 years before finding his new passion and career. Learn what he did to discover his new path and what he’s excited about for the future.
Hey, everybody’s Mark Pattison back again with another great episode of finding your sum and all about people overcoming diversity and finding their way. And before we get to today’s rock star guests, I just want to draw people to my website, www dot mark pattison, NFL dot com. There’s two and fifty something podcast on there. I’ve been doing this now a couple of years, so please go in check them out. A lot of inspirational people doing amazing things, like the Guy I have on today. Um. Also, I’d appreciate if you gave a ratings interview on Apple. Always helps elevate lift the show more popularity so we can catch more people with a given these things that that they’re doing. Also, there’s a link to my Emmy Award winning, winning film searching for the summit. Um. I wish the NFL Um put to other so you can go and you can check it out. You can check out the trailer, you can check out the actual film. That links to NFL three sixty. It’s a bit hard to find through their system. And finally, I continue to raise money for higher ground. Um. There’s a link that goes directly to that organization. Um. It’s all about impowerment of other people who have been wounded, Um, in need healing, which we do so here in Cinemeli Idaho, which I am broadcasting live from right now. So if you want to go and throw in some little bit of money, every bit helps Um, and again we continue to raise money towards that emilities everest campaign. So on that note, let’s get in today’s great guest, Miles Burris.
How you doing? He is a former NFL player, he’s a former Rada and uh and good dude, and we’re gonna have a chat. And so, first and foremost, you’re you’re you’re broadcasting yourself from Nashville, Tennessee. How’s it going? Fantastic. Thanks for having me on. I watched the watch the documentary last night, by the way, and it was fantastic. It was worthy of the best picture. It was beautiful. You know, I had another there’s another raider, buddy pe Kotch, who who was a number one draft pick back in the day of Kansas City and it was later play with the raiders and he’s been at the acting thing for a whole long time. He’s a bit older than me and he’s like look, Dude, how’s a guy that doesn’t have any kind of acting experience, and I’ve been doing this for thirty years, and you know all these gigs that he goes in and out of and you went a bigs best picture or something that you know nothing about, and I just think, I don’t know, it’s not me. So it’s how that was. Well, I think probably a piece of it is you, you controlling and creating the content, which is which is very big in this industry. That’s kind of the best way to break in as opposed to just being a work for higher actor where you get rejected for the majority of your career until you kind of pop. Yeah, so let’s I want to dig into your football stuff and I want to transition that into your um in your king world and and a lot of this is just about when, when, when in life, when we’re going through certain things and then that thing, whether it’s a relationship, whether it’s a job, transition, especially it’s such a sharp cutoff with the NFL and when you’re don get done playing football, the transition and the energy that you have to take and so many people, as you know, especially in the football arena, really get lost in the NFL has done a great job, from from the time I used to play, Um, from actually developing a lot of these different programs through the trust, which you know about. But but go let’s go back to your your football. I know you’re a star in high school and that usually translates into a scholarship. Um, you grew up in California. Um, you went to San Diego State. What was it that drew you about San Diego State? It’s a beautiful city right on the coast. There specific goes and I’m from Seattle, so we have a lot of rain, you have a lot of Sun. Maybe that was the trigger. But but for a guy especially that, that kind of went all the way up the chain to the NFL. In San Diego State it’s a great, Wonderful University, but it’s not the biggest in terms of the power of five. How did you end up going there? Yeah, that’s a good question, because it wasn’t even anywhere near the biggest offer I had had Nebraska. I had some big time offers and my biggest thing is I wanted to go to the NFL eventually, but I wanted to live close to home. I was a home body and you know I love my family. And so I wanted to stay close to home. I really wanted to go to cal cal didn’t offer. Fresno state didn’t even offer. I probably would have gone there because my best friend Devon Wiley, went there. He got drafted actually the same year as me, in the fourth round, but he went to the chiefs Um and and I went to Nevada Reno on a visit because they were about two hours from Sacramento where I’m from, and I thought, well, it might be here because it’s so close and they were also d one and it was the first snow of the year on my visit and I looked at my mom I’m going to San Diego State, Um, and I knew, you know, if I busted my knee and be it would be a lot better to be in San Diego Than, you know, out in Nebraska. Yeah, well, look, San Diego is a great spot and and Um, you know, to go down there and playing a great system and it’s nice and warm all the time. I remember when at Washington, again based right there in Seattle, when we used to go down to to uh, southern California and play U C L and USC. I mean it just it would I played in a couple of rolls bools as well. I mean it was just so much easier for me as a receiver to catch the ball because I just felt so much lighter and softer and everything else, and you’re not freezing and trying to warm up your hands and wearing gloves because of the raid. So I would certainly understand that. So you go through the progression, you have a great college career and then, as you know, you go through the the the process. A lot of people don’t understand this, but there’s an actual process. You don’t just show up at somebody’s camp. You can get invited or drafted to those different camps and you want to go off to the combine. Did you have some idea that the raider is going to pick you or how did that all play out? And that’s one question. The second question, which I ran into a lot, I was just grateful for wherever I was going to get picked, if I got picked right. And on the other side of that there were so many guys that I knew that I thought they were going to be a second or a first or a third or a fourth, and they ended up eighth or seventh or ninth or whatever it was in those days, and they were so disappointed. First as being grateful for where they got, they got drafted. Yeah, I knew the raiders had a lot of interest because I met with them pretty extensively at the combine and had been in touch with them, Um, and I knew that they loved the way I played, my style and, you know, being good with my hands and shedding blocks and all the things we talked about. Um, I was thinking they were actually gonna they were gonna draft me in the third round and I later came to find out that they were thinking about pulling the trigger but really needed a line and they didn’t. And all my family was kind of thinking all that, I think the raiders are gonna take miles in the third and that passed by and everybody’s kind of sour one. You know, whatever about the raiders, we don’t need them. And then they picked me in the fourth round and we love the raiders. Yeah, great, Um. But that was great because I was kind of a hometown kid. I mean it was the closest team in my hometown. You know, if you didn’t hit traffic, maybe an hour and a half and my family was there rocking at every single game. Um, as far as yeah, the great I definitely had the goal in the expectation that I was going to go somewhere in the third round. So I was a little disappointed, but you gotta keep your mind strong and and uh kind of stay with it there and got picked in the fourth and made the most of it. I started every game my rookie year and really started every game. I was healthy with the raiders. Well, that’s always the key to you know, once you well really any kind of level, staying healthy. You know, sometimes it’s not always the better a player that ultimately makes it. You know, the distance and stuff gout. It can stay healthy along the way. I believe when we’re talking about the raiders, you’re talking about the Oakland Raiders. You hadn’t made the move. Yeah, it Um over to Las Vegas. We’re obviously they are now. That’s a new home. Yeah, correct open. Yeah. Now, have you going to the Raider reunions? Yeah, I’ve been to many of them. They do a really great job, but their alumni and keeping everybody um feeling like you’re still kind of part of it, part of the family, and they put together some really, really great events and uh, I’ve really enjoyed it. Have you been to any M yeah, I’ve been to two or three of them. I can’t make it this year for certain reasons, but but anyway. You know, it’s just I think the raiders are unique. I was able to play for a couple of other teams as well and nobody does it quite like the raiders. Um. They they invest a lot of money into their alumni Um and having, as you know, those people coming around and US just to interact and really feel like you’re still part of the game versus, you know, kicked out and that’s it. So it’s a it’s a great way to be. So you played a couple of years in the NFL and I think you know your career probably was Um uh ended prematurely because you got hurt. And now you know, you come to that big decision. You’ve been doing this thing since a lot of times people go how long as you playing the NFL? I go you really need to look at the body of works. It’s just not the NFL. It’s not just college, it’s not just high school. But when you put all these things back to when you start playing at eight or nine years old, now it’s a long time and all of a sudden now you’re putting on the brakes in a hardcore way and you’ve got to take a sharp turn. And that transition from from the NFL into what you’re doing now is you’re you’re an actor. was that a difficult transition or were you pretty pumped up about what was about to you know, lay ahead for you? Well, initially I was devastated, Um, because what took me out from the raiders was a knee injury. I kept injuring my right knee and Um, I lasted the exact average of the NFL in the three and a half years, but I chased it for another two years after that. Took about a year to get fully healthy and then I took workouts and, Um, just grinded and grinded, just really believing I was supposed to come back and have this, you know, amazing comeback in the NFL and felt like I had more to give. and Um, I just didn’t quite have it. You know, I didn’t quite have it. And so, Um, long story short, I was in a mini camp with the Vikings and I could just feel the need wasn’t it wasn’t there anymore. It wasn’t it blew up to the size of a softball and I knew that was kind of it. And I think the reason I was so scared about the NFL ending is because I didn’t really believe that I would have any sort of vocational passion like that ever again in my life. I didn’t think I would have, because I had this tremendous passion for football. It’s what all I thought about, from the first day I suited up in pads to, you know, finishing off my career. I just loved it. I couldn’t not think about it, I could not daydream about it, and so I really felt like that was the mark I had to make, was through football, and that the best opportunity I had to do it in such young years. And then it ends and you just you can’t believe it. And I think it wasn’t until I got to set, you know, I had inklings that I might be interested in acting. I love watching movies. I you know, I thought in college maybe that’d be that’d big cool thing. I don’t know if I’d be very good at it or enjoy it, but it’d be worth trying. What’s football was done. It was kind of my secret thing. I didn’t really tell anybody, but I took a class in college and I just kind of hung onto that dream and but it wasn’t until I finally booked a job and I and I got to set and I just you get a little bit of that thrill that you get from, you know, a live game in front of a big crowd and just having to perform on the spot when they say actually, and it was immediately in that moment I walk I was able to walk away from football and not even think twice about it, and the passion and all the energy and motive nation moved right into this, this new avenue. Yeah, it’s an interesting career path, just because the NFL is so unstable. I mean, even though they give me a contractic, but they can really cut you at any time. And then you go, you walk into something else that probably represented a hell of a challenge. Is something very similar to what you had gone through. You know, football and climbing the ladder and making it into the NFL. But at the same time, you know when you go there’s no shirt, then all the auditions and you know the attrition and I don’t even know what the math is and how many times you have to show up for commercials and TV and moving and all the other castings that you do and you put your heart into it and then, for whatever reason, you might be the perfect guy, but because you’re the wrong you know, whatever it is, height, weight, personality, Blonde Hair, you know. I mean I don’t know what those those factors would be, but you know, it’s just that moment that where you’re going on, okay, and I gotta go on the next one and the next one and and we’re you really feel like you’re starting to build that career? I don’t know how that works. You did you ask when did I feel like I was building it? Well, it was just really more the question of, like, you know, as you’re as you’re going through that you’re kind of going from one somewhat unstable career, even though it’s your passion, to another very unstable career and just like we’re in there, did you did you feel like you’re getting some stickiness where you know you could actually do this beyond an acting class that you took? You know, where you I mean, there’s one thing to like it when you’re being funny, but at the end of the day, when you have a family and kids and responsibilities, you know, and you have to follow through on that. Um. That’s that’s real. Yeah, it is. It’s a good point. It is probably even more unstable than than the NFL in a lot of ways, because you don’t know where the next job is coming you don’t know where it’s gonna Shoot, and that was hard for my wife as well, but she was at the same time fully supportive of me and chasing after it. Um. I would say that the feeling of feeling like I was getting some footing goes in waves, because there’s a lot of deserts, especially as you’re kind of ramping the career up in the beginning. There’s a lot of auditions, but I was blessed that, Um, a lot of my very first auditions I was booking and I think it was just kind of got thrown me a bone and saying hey, yeah, I go down this path, go down this path, I got you here, Um, and I just kind of felt like, oh, that’s the norm, I’m a book everything and, you know, I’d worked a few jobs and then all of a sudden it was just this big drop off where I didn’t work for almost, you know, six eight months something and there’s there’s these deserts in there like that and you start wondering and Man, am I any good at this? I you know it was. I just lucky for a little bit. Am I over analyzing it and no good now, um, but it’s those times are good because they continue to test you and testing not only your passion but your grit towards that passion and sticking with it, and I’m glad that I have and Um, keep homing the craft and enjoying it. I think there’s a through line for a lot of things that people when they’re transitioning, you know, out of one thing to the other. Of them’s uncertainty, that whole mindset of really staying positive, because you have self debt doubt that comes in and especially when you’re not getting that that you’re positive feedback is is getting booked right, and when that’s not coming through, how do you keep like blasting through those different things? For somebody else might be you know, they’re out looking for a job and they’re not getting kind of feedback that they need and they go to these job interviews and you know they don’t elevate to the next level and I don’t know for you, like for me, going up when I when I spent a lot time and live in some Valley Idaho. So it’s very mountainous around here and I spent a lot of time in the mountains and so you know, there’s not a whole lot of noise around. Um, you know, it’s Birds Chirping and the leaves flapping back and forth and and so you have a lot of time to really just hone in on positive Um uh, just things that you want to accomplish how you’re going to get there with them without having a lot of noise coming at you at one time. For you, like do you have do you do Yogo? Do you meditate? I mean, is there some exercise that you do that helps you kind of get through these dry spills? Why are you waiting for something else to come down the road? Yeah, yeah, a few things, I think. First and foremost would be my faith. Um, just every day kind of just I dropped to my knees when I get out of bed and just kind of surrender the day and and and try to remember who I’m living for. And, Um, my wife very much encourages me and that as well. She’s kind of like my counselor. In a lot of ways she’s she’s actually has her masters in marriage and family therapy and has done a lot of counseling, and so I’m able to bounce a lot of these feelings and emotions off of her, Um, and she’s just a genius emotionally Um. So that’s extremely helpful. And then also, just as soon as I’m done with an audition, I just move on. And what’s helped me to move on and stay busy is I started writing my own projects, some uh screenwriting. I’ve written four screenplays. So as soon as that audition is done, I just go right back to that. I just keep working and every day I’m I’ve got that block of time where I’m just working creatively, whether it’s on the next audition or writing those screenplays, and that’s been very empowering in a lot of ways. That’s that’s great. You know, what you’re really talking about is trying to really control your your outcome and your destiny versus just waiting for the call. So it’s it’s great. You know, just go offensive in terms of what you’re trying to accomplish. Now, how does somebody, I mean typically, when you think of an actor. They’re in New York or L A and you sit in the middle of the country in Nashville, uh, Tennessee. And how do you make that work from the standpoint of auditions? Or has the game change? Are you now doing things more on zoom and and auditions in that way, or you’re submitting tape? I mean how does that whole thing work? Yeah, exactly. So the gold standard got changed when covid hit. Basically everything shut down and the auditions. I lived in L A at that time and I moved out here during the pandemic Um and what the route they went was called self tapes, which was already existing, and that just means that you throw your your phone on a tripod and, you know, have somebody in your house read with you or have a buddy come over read with you for the scenes that they send you and then you send the casting director downloadable link. And they came to like that so much that in person auditions are almost completely over with, and I mean maybe more people are doing them, but I’m established enough with the casting directors now to where I can always get a self tape, even if they did go back to that. But they’re able to see more people, kind of not have to deal with all the small talk of all these nervous people coming into a room and, you know, giving them these eyes of hoping they get the job. They get to skip all that and see more people and be more efficient, I guess, stay safer. Yeah, I love that. I mean it’s really gone into this. I mean it’s permeated worldwide in terms of the remote working element for everybody. You know, that’s just a different way that you’re like you said, you’re being way more efficient. You can live where you want to live. You don’t have to be in a certain spot that you don’t want to be. Probably control you across a little bit more and and just send in your time, I mean to go in and I’m sure you’re working craft just the same, but the drive time to get to the audition, to wait in the lines and do all other stuff is out the window. So what a great efficient way to go about it. Yeah, it was. It was huge. You got to live where I wanted to for a lot cheaper. Yeah, well, how did how did you pick Nashville? I mean it’s just you know, when we talked about this before we went live and and you’re just saying it’s a cool town, it’s a fun town and this and that’s great, but so are a lot of other towns and you’re from California. So how would you land in Nashville? Well, I think, Um, the actual show Nashville romanticized a city in my wife’s mind. She she was like, Oh, I’ve heard Nashville is great and she watched the show and so one day I just surprised her. I said Hey, let’s go pack your backs, we’re going to Nashville. And this was and I think, in two thousand and fifteen, and we visited and just fell in love with it right away. I mean every restaurant and bar you go to is fill the live music that’s free. That sounds like these people should be on the radio. Um, I liken it to what actors, what L A is for actors, is what singer Songwriters just to Nashville or Nashville is to them. And so it’s a very creative city, very just talent everywhere. It’s really fun to go to these uh UH songwriting venues and just listen to the stories behind these people that are making the songs that we’re listening to. I think that’s really interesting just from a writer’s perspective. It’s a different lane of entertainment, but you always take something from it. Um, and we’ve been able to establish community out here a lot quicker as well. I coming from the L A, I just really wasn’t a big fan of L A. Um, in a generality, a lot of people were very stuffy. It was really hard to get to know people. They were more focused on kind of status and what can you do for me? And you know, if you weren’t up to par with them, they immediately moved on. and Um, the southern hospitality thing out here is extremely real. I sure found that down there a month ago or so and and just uh, had a great time. Like you said, everything is it’s true. You know, the surrounding neighborhoods, going out to Franklin and and some of the other places. Um, going to the restaurants, listening to all the music. It’s just, you know, it’s really fulfilling and it’s really about work life balance of what you can do while enjoying things that really, you know, fill your soul. And I’m sure you’re a very creative person as well, otherwise you wouldn’t be and have the acting bug. So good on you. So some of the projects that you’ve done on I know you’ve got on TV movies. Um Uh. Is there a particular show that that has really spoke to you? Safety? I know you did. Is there? Is there one of the ones that you’ve identified with that character or where you really got into it? It was you love the process, you love the people who love the director and you love the show. Yeah, all of them in different ways. I think one of the more recent ones was the righteous gem stones. Played a character named titus and it’s just a lot of really bizarre comedy and the people making it or just kind of comedic geniuses, and I was able to showcase a lot, I think, on that show as far as just the humor and, Um, the just intensity of things and and some some physics, you know, physical stuff, and some stunts. It was just a really good time and it shot. It was actually the first GIG got booked after moving to Nashville and that one shot in Charleston, South Carolina, and that was a great time. And then another one is safety. I was a leading a film called safety. That’s on Disney plus and I like that one just because it’s a one it’s a true story, but it’s also family friendly and so, you know, I was able to uh play it with the kids and my son’s too young, he’ll he’ll see the screen and yeah, they’re all good in their own way. Yeah, I I gotta tell you. You know, after going through the NFL, came out here. They filmed a bunch of stuff in February one and then I went out to Everest and I filmed all the stuff that you see on the mountain. I came back and I, you know, through that whole process I was like, there’s one thing I don’t want to do is to become an actor. I don’t have the patience for it. And Cut, Redo, cut and Redo, cut and Redo all that kind of stuff. And so I’ve got mad respect for the people that are really great at their craft. They can do that and, you know, cut Redo and they have to cry or are you know, come up with some emotional scene. I can’t imagine that. But Um, I might be a one and donner and then in the s fetch from my acting career. But you know, certainly mad respect for all these people who who not just are out there doing it like you, but are committed to it, you know, and I think that’s where a lot of times people fall off. I look at the different things that I’ve been able to succeed at and the main difference between myself and in many others, most others, it’s just that, you know, when I put my head down and I’m ready to dig in, I just don’t quit and I do it with daily discipline. Just on on on on, copy paste and copy, copy paste you now, and it’s very repetitious. But at the same time that’s what gets you to your end result and what you really wanted in the very beginning. But it’s a hard work ethic that you have to keep going at and it’s not easy. Yeah, it’s definitely not easy. I buy with that in every way, I think, from for me, the work comes from just insanely passionate about something. I have a really hard time being able to put that work in towards something I’m not really interested in. I can do I can do all the pain into this and to that if I have an end fitness goal or if I have an end goal for once I finished the screenplay, I can start to pitch it out or whatever it is, because I know that that’s getting me towards that vision. But would you say that’s a similar deal with you where it’s you can have that hyper focus only if you have the heart and the heart behind whatever it is you’re working towards. It always gets back down to the Y and if you don’t have a passionate why or why you’re doing it, it’s just too easy to quit, it’s too easy not to get out of bed. And for me at least, you know that’s why I think constantly revalued my goals and goal setting is so important, even if you accomplished one. I look back on on the things that I’ve done, you know, nfl and climate, mountains and sports, illustrating things like that, and you know, it’s it’s it’s never about whatever the award is. It’s not about, you know, winning best picture and being on stage in front of all those cool people. It was about the process. That’s what was fun. It was about the process of learning how to climb mountains over ten years. It was the process of learning how to play football and ultimately, like you, make it all the way to the raiders and get drafted by that. It was the process. It was not the end goal. It wasn’t the winning touchdown, and that, I think, is where a lot of people missed the mark. They’re too focused on that goal versus, you know, waking up every day with that passion and that strong why about the reasons behind you’re doing that particular activity? Yeah, how often do you reevaluate those goals? You talked about that. Yeah, I know, I’m I’m constantly you know. I mean like on the case of Errorst, I was honed in on Everest, right, and before that I was down in the two years before that, because of Covid I was I was only focused on on INTARCTICA and you know, before that I was focused only on to Neli, and the year before that I didn’t make it ton because there was miney city degree, so I had to go back and Redo it and train all over again. So it’s you know, I really like to look at this is chunking. So now I’m done with Mount Everest and so what’s next? I’m going down to Jackson, who I’m going to climb the hall is mountain down there, called the grand and then in September, that’s in August and September, I’m going over to Shamany France, and climbing Mount Block and then going down to jamant Um, which is our and a half by train, to climb the mattahorn iconic mountain straight up, you know. So what am I doing about it today? That’s the goal. I’m out there, you know, in two days. I get up every morning super early to go out and do an hour and a half. In the afternoon I’m back up that mountain. It’s like that every single day and I’ll go through that mountain and I’ll reevaluate here, what’s the next thing we’re gonna do and go after that goal. So, I mean that’s just go on the climbing front. I’ve got other goals too. They’re going on, but that’s how I’ve been able to get through chunking it. That’s Rad. That’s so interesting, especially the training front. I always wondered, I mean, does the training protocols change a little bit between mountains or is it always pretty similar? Well, you’re up in your game, obviously, because you’re you’re getting into ice climbing and now I’m getting getting more into straight up rod climbing. But Um, you know, the just the daily exercising component of that is making sure your legs are strong, your arms are strong and your wind is strong and you can you can deal with the altitude and you can deal with the different things are going to come up along the way and that you know, you don’t go from thettle league to the NFL, and so it just takes an arc of years of learning this little thing called experience, and that matters. Yeah, that’s so cool. Yeah, yeah. So, anyways, uh, back to you and kind of round in third base here. I know you’re work, working on a screenplay. Is there anything else, and I’m talking about in the acting world, that you’re working on a film right now or you’re doing something you’re really excited about? You have something around the corner? Yeah, I gotta show come coming out, because I’m not sure when that one’s gonna come out. I just shot in actually New Mexico called the loudhouse. It’s a popular cartoon show for kids that they’re making a live action series and the opportunity came up and I thought, you know, that would be fun. If I can get a lad I found out my my son bow then Um, it’ll be worth it, will be fun. So I got to go over there and going out for a little bit and looking forward to seeing that, how that work comes through, and then I should be back for season three of young rock. I played triple H on that one and I just found out the other day they’re going to shoot that in Memphis, which is too far from from Nashville. So that’s a that’s a perk less less season. Was shotting Um, Australia. I was like, yeah, I want to do with a with a newborn. Well, it is, but you know, again, going back to the perks, that’s one of the person you get from for being in that industry. You know, you got to go on location. So whether it’s Memphis or down in Sydney or if you were in Australia, I mean that’s pretty cool. Yeah, it was. It was really cool, so much, so cool that I wasn’t, you know, telling my wife every day how awesome it was. She was, she was at home alone with her son. Just yeah, you know, yeah, it’s I felt like I’ve been at the beach all day and I worked a handful of days and that it was there in paradise for like up and a half and I love that. Yeah, now, that’s really cool. All right, buddy, listen, where can people find you? Um, you know, I’m on social media, on Instagram at Miles James Burris and at twitter at Miles Burris. I’m not too active on either of them, Um, and then hopefully on more and more TV shows as we come through. Yeah, cool, I love it. Well, you’re responded to me, so you’re somewhat active. So I love that. But listen, I totally appreciate it. As a fellow Raider, Um, I totally appreciate you coming on, responding and sharing your life a little bit with me and the audience, and nothing but best luck to you going forward. I know you’re gonna be successful because you’re gonna attack this like you you attacked when you’re playing football. Is the mighty linebacker from the Aztecs onto the radars and uh now into the acting world. So it’s really cool and it’s always great to see a successful NFL fellow nfl guy doing well in life and have their prior to straight. So good, good on you. Thank you very much, mark, and likewise. Man, it was it was very motivating to see um in the documentary and see all the things you’ve been able to do, and that’s that’s business goals for later on in my life. Too, so I don’t know. I’ll be tricking mountains, but well, yeah, thank you for having me on. It’s been a blast. And all right, there is the one, the only Miles Burris. Thank you so much.