263: Mike Tomczak Podcast

Mike Tomczak: I recently met Mike Tomczak at an NFL Golf Event. I had remembered him from his playing days against the Bears, the Super Bowl Shuffle, and his time at Ohio State. He had a great career playing 16 years and has continued to stretch himself with many different ventures he is involved with. The best part is his relationship with Youngstown State where he remains active with the school and football team.

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Hey, everybody, it’s Mark Pattison. I’m back again with another great episode of Finding Your Summit, all about people overcoming adversity and finding their way. Before do I get to today’s rock star guest, I just want to draw attention to my website www. Dot Mark Pattison NFL dot com. There’s a lot of things you can get there, one of which are more podcasts. Have done over two hundred and seventy five of these things of amazing people doing incredible feats, and we’re gonna have a really fascinating conversation today. But love if everybody would go in and give a ratings and review on Apple. It helps elevate the popularity of the show. And don’t we all need to be inspired? Certainly I do. Number two Uh, anybody who has not seen Searching for the Summit, the Best Picture Award winning Emmy that the NFL did on my Everest journey, you can find that on there as well. And finally, love and continue to draw interest to my philanthropy A millions Everest everything goes to higher Ground, which is the organization here in Saint Valley, Idaho, also in New York, in l A. It’s all about the empowerment of others and we continue to raise funds, certainly well over a hundred grand now, so proud of that fact.

So on that note, I want to jump into today’s cool guest. I’ve known this guy from afar for a long time. We used to play against each other um and then this last weekend I had a great opportunity to meet him in person. One of my favorite guys there. His name is Mike Tomczak. Mike, how you doing very well? Well? Mark? Yeah? Yeah, you You kind of bounced in out there on the on the on the Wifi. But I think we’re back. But look, there’s last week you and I were graciously invited to go play in a golf tournament on the East Coast. Um I flew across the country and you flew probably down or across or I’m not sure how you got there. But at the end of the day, there’s a lot of wonderful people that were there to really help raise money and awareness for certain causes. A lot of those guys were NFL players, and you know what a cool thing when um you know, and it usually happens this way where quarterbacks and receivers always find a way to kind of gravitate towards each other. But how I knew you was back in the day we played roughly about the same time. I played for the University of Washington and you played for the I think that’s how you say Ohio State. You were a quarterback there. You did quite well. But but what was that like growing up for you? I know you grew up in Illinois, but what was that like for you? Growing up you know, kind of a really hotbed of of that whole Ohio, Illinois, that whole area. What was that like for you? The best? The best? My father was a high school football coach, and you know, I kind of when I came out of the womb, I kind of fell into a ball bag, if you will. And you know, the big ten was the Big Ten. Back then, you had your ten ten prominent teams. And my dad was a popular high school football coach in the Chicago Land area, and I worked camps. I went to camps, you know, throughout the Big Ten. I went to Purdue, went to Illinois, and went to Indiana, Uh, pretty much. And I didn’t go to Ohio State. Didn’t know much about Ohio State because I grew up I grew up a Michigan fan. I kind of choked when I said that I grew up a Michigan fan. Uh, you know, throughout my whole childhood and a few players that played for my dad in high school, I ended up playing for Michigan, so there was a likeness. Our rival high school had the scarlet and gray color, so you know, obviously there was a dislike there just from a high school standpoint. But you know, it was so much better back then than it is now. The traditions, the pageantry, everything you would think of when you chose your university. That really filtered through your soul. And I said earlier I had a dislike for Ohio State just based on the colors because it was a rival high school. But not until I got on campus as you probably experienced Mark. You know, you felt that vibe. You know, you’re growing up where you grew up in northern California, I believe, you know, there was a likeness to a lot of Pac ten schools and gosh, you know, I never thought I’d be playing in Ohio State. And then when I started getting recruited, it was like, you know, I can see myself here, you know, eighty thousand people, you know, and I was just like a little aunt in a arm hill, if you will. And you know, when I got there, the awareness of how big and the magnitude of football wasn’t Ohio really hit me because there was a quarter fact that you might have known of Arch Sleaster that played for the buck guys, uh, you know, Perennial All American and he said a lot of records at Ohio State and the guy that had to replace them was me or I had an opportunity to replace them along with four other guys, and that’d be like, you know, replacing Don James at Washington as the head coach or you know Warren Moon for example. But it was just awesome. You know, some day I’m gonna write down in the book if you will just my authenticity of what I knew. I had big ten calendars and posters in my room, and you know, I just the flags. You know, I knew about Northwest, and I knew about Illinois. I knew about Indiana Perdue, and they were within a couple hour radius of my hometown. So it was I pinched myself to even know that I even played in the Big Ten and played at a high level. You played at very very high level. I know you took the team to the Rose Bowl. Um, I might have been your senior year. We actually lost in I’m not sure if it was the eighty four uh, because it’s always it always obviously you’re playing on Year’s Day, So I don’t was that the that the year calendar or eighty four or was actually the eighty three season it was the eighty four talent Well it was eighty five January one, correct, eighty four season? Yeah, so yeah, yeah, you played USC and we had lost the USC or only we lost the year we were ranked number one most of the year. We ended up in in Miami playing Oklahoma. We beat Oklahoma, and that was really the launch of of this whole BCS thing about who should be number one, because who ended up number one, if you would call the way back then was b y U. So how do you take a team in the lesser conference. You’re not playing Ohio State in USC and U C l A and Michigan you know, You’re you’re playing Boise States in the world in Montana States, right, So it’s a whole different animal, um, as you know. And so they ended up number one, but out of that team, this whole change and ultimately it is what it is today. And now that’s a whole four team playoff, which I think is probably gonna be expanding now as you go. You know, you mentioned the interesting name arch Leaster, and I do remember him, not so much about his quarterbacking, um, but more for the gambling he got caught up in once he got into the NFL. And so it’s an unfortunate thing that helped to really turnished his career. But you know, you obviously did something right to go in there and win that job and and then go on into the NFL. So let’s move on into that. Um. Surprisingly to me, you, you and I were probably the combines together. UM. But you you you you get drafted, Actually you don’t get drafted, so you go into a freezing so so it’s hard enough. I was just on another podcast a few monuths ago, and we were talking about making the NFL, and I said, you know, look, I would have loved to have a sixteen year NFL career, which you ultimately had. I had a five year. But it’s one thing to to make it. It’s a whole different animal to stay there. Right with all the movement, everybody’s going around, there’s always trying to everybody’s trying to make their team better. Um, but what mountain was that like for you? Going on to that Bears team, which then you go on to win the Super Bowl in your rookie year. Crazy, very crazy, But let’s back up. You know, talking about the combine and happen out in Phoenix are actually tempi and I was the last entry into that combine. I looked to my right, I go through the physicals, and when I get on the field, finally I got a receiver to my right and a receiver to my left. And the dude to my right was a guy named Jerry Rice from Mississippi Valley State, which I never heard of it. And then Andre Reid from coon’stown state was to my left. Twenty years later, these guys are in the Hall of Fame. They were drafted. I was a free agent. Not that I got them drafted, you know, first or in the first round, but you know, just to take you back to where we were at that juncture and now the combine now is a lot of grandiose and a lot of lights, camera action, but you know, to make that team. You know, historically the Bears only kept two quarterbacks, you know, on their roster, and that particular year McMahon had an injury in eighty four and Steve Fuller ended up playing in the NFC championship game against San Francisco, which Bears got beat. And that year they brought in five quarterbacks. They have Steve Fuller, McMahon, myself, a guy named Rusty List from Notre Dame, and again named Cam Cruise from Illinois. So I’m thinking, okay, I got one of the fifty one out of five chance to make this team. I was the last player that made that team that year, Mark, And by the grace of God, you know, they could saw something in media organizations saw something of me. But there was a coach on that staff at that time that I went all the way back to high school with the guy named Ted Plum. Talk about relationships. He and my dad were good friends because they worked at camp for ten years together, and he knew about my growth through grade school, high school and then obviously at Ohio State, and he probably put a vote in for me at a o’clock gower. Hey, you need any free agents. You know, we’ve got Tomczak here from Ohio State. We got cruise that, don’t you know. But well he brought me in, and you know, I took advantage of the opportunity. And little did I know that I would find my summit temporarily for a decade and a half and experience the highs and the loads of professional athletics and you know, quarterbacking and being on the Super Bowl team your rookie year and then going on and playing fifteen years after that, and it was it was something that you know, I went through a lot. I went through a big growth period between my senior in college and my rookie year in the NFL. And I give a lot of gratitude and thanks to Jim McMahon, who we both know. You know he’s got I played football in the National Football League, caricature, but a tremendous teammate. He taught me so much about the game of football from an intellectual standpoint, you know, the cerebral part, you know, the football IQ because at Ohio State we would only throw on second down or maybe play action on first down and then third in the bus ride, we do play action pass, you know, turned our back to the line of scrimmage and very seldom or read in the shotgun. So you know that helped my growth and also just the opportunity. You know, I believe in myself a lot. I put a lot into it. I was a gym rat, I threw a lot of footballs. I prepared myself. I played three sports, and I was highly competitive, and you know, I just needed a chance, and there was a kind of a boyhood dream, if you will. Yeah, I had another guy on my pod, Mark Wilson, who was a rad quarterback and I do some work with this company now, but he had said the same thing when we were kind of reliving his his glory years back in college. And he had a really unique thing because I think it has a sophomore market set records all over. Uh, you know, in the n c A that year, and then he got hurt. And then Jim McMahon did this exact and was Player of the Conference that year. And then the next year Marcott hurt and Jim played the whole year, and then he did the basically the same thing that marked his supping more year. Then Mark comes back to senior year, wins the job back and and so there’s this kind of seesaw thing. But he said he was the best teammate when he was going through that, and and that’s a hard thing to do when you’re you’re both competing for a job and you both want that thing and to be super supportive of each other. So that’s good on you and it and it serves you well and it probably has served you well in life in terms of things don’t always go your way. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t, but they’re to be with a positive mindset, cheer others on and be grateful can take you a long way in life. And those are all good lessons. Well, I fight greed every day. You know, there’s temptations and there’s times when you know you’re trying to carry out that commandment. You know, love thy neighbor, and I kind of go back mentally, you know, how good of a teammate was I or could I have been? And I think, you know, without patting myself on the back, you know, when I got into that huld mark, I mean when I had the eyes, you know, I had twenty eyes staring at me. I had the respect of those guys, and because I loved them and they knew I was gonna give my best effort, and I encouraged them through practice and even when I was to backup on the sideline, I would encourage those guys, you know, keep on flight and keep on doing your job. Things are gonna work out. And it worked out for me because it was reciprocated as we fast forward through life. You know, I believe my I’m in the health business. I love to help people. You know, I do some industrial maintenance stuff. I do some volunteer work and football. I do some volunteer work raising money for the foundation here at Youngstown State. So you know, all my life I watched through my father, through my eyes what my father would do. He would always be helping somebody else. And I guess, you know, our calling is to be servants of others and part of that has being a great teammate. And it was tough of times because I thought it was a better better dude, right, I mean you probably felt, you know, give me just I’m better that dude. You know, it’s gotta wait your turning and just you know, good things happen to those who wait sometimes, but if you wait too long, you might not get that chance, right, Yeah, And I and I I seem to think of this as I think, in order to have success in a certain sport, and you can pick any one of them, and that’s out there anywhere, from you know, gymnastics to tennis to to more organized sports like football, basketball, or baseball, that you have to have some kind of athletic arrogance. And that does mean that you’re arrogant. It just means that you know your craft and your confident what you can do, and you know that you’re better than the next guy, and you have to walk into and if you know, once that confidence leaves the train station, your career is over in the NFL, and that’s just the way it goes. So you end up playing with a number of different teams, the Green Bay Packers, Pittsburgh of course, the Bears. We were talking about the Browns, um and you look back on your sixteen years and you’ve already kind of mentioned some of these different things, but you know, the the relationships and all the different experiences that you had just goes into this bank of of of gratitude. And it sounds like from everything you’re saying, you’ve been able to to like convert that now to being a servant to others. But are there there besides we already talked about Jim mcma but are there any of the things of the NFL, Like when you sum it up, like you look back on it and and that experience gave me blank, you know, it gave me more this or that or it can be anything. It doesn’t have to be anything, but it just seems like it’s I mean, it was more than a decade for you being involved at the highest level. It’s amazing. It is. It’s really amazing. And it drove me to the sofa. You know, I went through depression, you know, like like most Americans do. If you if you say you’ve never been depressed, I think you’re lying. Um. And it was a great thing to go through, uh, through all the through all the triumphs and tribulations. Uh, there’s a human being behind the skin. You know, all the paths on the back, and you want to conduct the orchestra, but you gotta turn your back to the crowd. And sometimes that was hard to do in Chicago being a hometown kid, being my family, I had a large family. I had five siblings. Parents were running a health club business. My dad was still coaching football, and you know, our name was a good name on the South side of Chicago. So you know, I’ve bared a lot of their emotions because they always asked how I was doing, and I was fine. You know, I had wet wings, you know, I would the water would just come off my wings. But they got to the point where Mike Ditka, you know that one game, man, that one game, you know, I lost it against the New England Patriots and I was in seven. I was ready to just walk away. I mean it was you know, yo yo in and out of the game. And I think a lot of your listeners mark and identify with this with their co workers or their mentors or their boxes were you know, they’re growling at you with their wagon or tail at the same time, and you know, you don’t know which end to believe because there’s a disconnect, you know, and and things are lost in translations. But you know, I had to go through that to be the person I am today. And I had to look at myself and say, was I being greedy? You know? Was I being you know, not accountable to myself? You know, I was saying yes to everyone and I should have been saying no at times because I was at local kids. So you know, I experienced that at the Triumphs. I mean, you know Walter Payton, you know, twenty three years ago yesterday he passed away, and he was impactful in my life. I met him in nineteen seventies six at the college All Star training camp up at Northwestern University. And then nine years later I’m handing off to him, you know, and I get a chance to spend three years with him, you know, playing professional football. And j Hilgenberg, you know, a great teammate, great compadre. We experienced a lot in life together, not only in the football field, but off it, you know, through our experiences through marriage and setbacks and divorces and raising a family. So you know, probably last gentleman Jim with Sha my college room mate, you know he was a small toim kid that was just a big, lovely human being. And to this day we’re very close and we share a lot of family memories together, raising our kids around each other. So, you know, outside of the professional side, uh, you know, I got people, you know from my professional life, you know, after football, you know, whether it being broadcasting or steel industry or industrial maintenance, you know, people I can trust and rely on. They look at me as a person, not the personality, if you will. Yeah, I like that now. It’s great to be because, like you said, you take the armor off and you come out of the gladiator ring and we’re just like everybody else. And and and part of those things, you know, like you said, you have your ups and your downs. Um, you know, and I’m gonna ask you this question back but ten years ago, roughly, I went through a tough time in my personal life. I went through a divorce and that that really forced me to, uh go through some tough times. And like you said, the depression part of it. I’m not sure what end of the wrong like you, I would, but I was not a happy guy. I mean, I’m not sure where I feel on that whole spectrum. But what it did make me do, um, is is question like where I was going in my life and how we’re gonna internalize that and and and what and what spit out on the other side was for me to create this massive goal of trying to become the first NFL player to climb the seven Summits, right, and it gave me something to look forward to. It gave me a day to day goal of exercising and you know what it was going to take to climb these crazy mountains and learn the skill of mountaineering and especially high high mountaineering um um. And so putting that back for you, and by the way that that that whole thing just ended in terms of that particular goal last um May May twenty one, and then we had the film that came out. But but back to you, you went through something somewhat similar and and what was that thing for you that helped kind of pull you out of where you were to where you are today? I think going through the adversity without a doubt. You know, I didn’t I left this out on purpose because I know we kind of revisit it. You know, there comes a point in your life where you know if somebody tells you you can’t do something, and you get piste off and you get that chip on your shoulder and you get gritty and uh. Right before my senior in college, we had a spring football game and during that game, I broke my leg in two places prior to the season my senior year, and for the first time I ever saw my dad cry in front of me. Here I am twenty one years young and laying on the turfoot Ohio stadium, and I have a spiral fracture of my tib in a factory fibula, and they tell me I’ll never be able to play football again. Because the surgery, we couldn’t get a ride down there. Long story short, I was back in three and a half months and I trained my ass off. And when Earl Bruce came in that hospital room the next day and said, Michael, you want to coach? I heard you never never be able to play football again, and I just said, get the f out of here. I said, I’m not ready for this. Uh So, you know, I think God puts us in places that allows us, you know, some setbacks or adversities or hiccups, if you will, and that but allows this great opportunity to grow. I mean, you and I faced some you know, some marital setbacks that in some people’s eyes, you know, they look at you, you lost that battle. You know. I didn’t think I lost that, but I gained from it. You know, even though I was dying in self pity and everything. Um, I rose above the ashes because I had a family to race, let alone, keep myself alive and be there for my children. So, you know, the adversity of breaking a leg, you know, taught me you gotta fight through it. You got a good through it. And then my personal life, I get to that point in my life where here’s the real challenge. I mean, this ain’t no dress rehearsal right, I mean this is live. We’re not It’s not a second take or a third take. And it was a great example for my kids. My kids are older now and they appreciated that. They they revert back to it and letters to me that they’re so thankful of those times together and those precious moments, and you know, they just wish they could have been around when I was playing and my career ended against the Oakland Raiders and Alamina County Stadium or broke my left same leg on that grass there infield, and that was a sign from above. After sixteen years in the preseason, third game, starting quarterback, you know, boom time ago, and you know, kids were two and four at the time, and just moved my wife to Detroit and she said, you know, we need we belong in Pittsburgh. So we moved back there and started our own life together and it was good for a while with peoples for a while. Well, life happens everybody, and you know, here’s the here’s the thing too, which I’ve come to finally figure out, which is a lot of times when we all go through these rough patches, whether you’re you know, this is for a job, or it’s your personal situation or something that’s happening to somebody else that’s close to you, uh that that you know, there’s this period of time that it takes for you to like we’ve navigate your way through all this. But if you can look ten years back, like ten years forward now. For me to look ten years back, it was the best thing. It was a blessing. I couldn’t see that at the time. It was a disaster and everything else at the time, you know, coming out of the NFL like okay, now what And today they’ve done such a great job Tracy Perlman, who you know, she’s done such a great job of of setting up all these different programs that are out there for NFL x NFL players to like transition into a new career. Back then, it was just like okay, where we’re going now and no clue right and trying to figure that out. But again looking back on that now, it also helped setting me up for where I sit today with sports illustrating things like that. And so you know, from my from my personal relationships, for my seventh summit mountaineering pursuits, from my from my occupation, Um, you know, it’s all served me because, like you were saying before, you’ve turned a negative into a positive, and that net net had made you grow in time and better things have come your way. You talked about life you after football. For you, you’ve been involved in some different things, some some charity and some different businesses and and that that the thing that was most fascinated when you and I were hanging out um last week, was this whole connection that you have of all places young Youngstown, right and somewhere out in Pennsylvania there and it’s it’s it’s just so, can you tell us more about what you’re doing, what’s your connection is with that university? Absolutely? UH. Youngstown, Ohio is fifty northwest of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and about seventy miles due east of Cleveland, Ohio. So it sits right off the turnpike between New York. Then it goes UH Pittsburgh, Youngstown, Cleveland, Chicago. That’s kind of the route, you know, the thorough therapy. Will and I’ve been here for six years now. I’ve been part of the university more full time, not full time, but as a consultant, if you will, on their foundation side. UH. President Trustle, who was my position coach at Ohio State for my last two years, has been extremely influential in my life. Um, during that rough time, you know, when I got separated from from my marriage, and you know, he was there for me, you know, twenty two years later to say hey, you want to talk, you know, and fast forward here we are two thousand and sixteen seventeen. He says, I think you belong up here. You know, I was transitioning out of the steel industry. I wanted to help out more philanthropically and raise money for a cause. And it seemed like Youngstown State it was the place for me. And you know, here’s a guy that, uh, you know, I got articles of trustle because he’s retiring after nine years here as president university, one of the only presidents that does not have a doctorate degree for university. And he’s just a wonderful human being. And you know, I see a lot of likeness of him and me because of like my it’s the tract, right, if you will. And so I’ve been doing that. I’ve been helping out with the football team on a volunteer basis. I’m the advisor to the head coach here, Doug Phillips. We are currently five and three in the Missouri Valley Football Conference. We’re traveling to Illinois State this weekend on a three game winning streak, and our quarterbacks are playing pretty well. I happen to sit in the rooms every day with those young men and listen to them file things away in their hippo campus and try to recall things when the players come in, and you know, it’s exciting. It keeps me young, keeps me involved, and also the community work I do here. I’m involved with adults with autism here in the Youngstown Pittsburgh area. Uh, my family always had a likeness towards handicapable people, and I’ve carried on attrition. I’ve been involved with that for a number of years now. And you know, for some reason I did. There’s an attraction attraction to that. I love people all shapes and sizes, and God has been good to me. Uh, He’s challenged me to be a better servant. And you know, even the fact, you know, we run in each other in the hallway, you know, right in front of the elevator, and it was like, hey, you’re supposed to run a curl in that route. No like thinking on you quick out? You know what are you talking about? The plank cover too? You gotta get in that, get in that whole shot there. But you know, it’s it’s nice. This is where I belong. I really do. There’s some wonderful people come in my life recently here in the Youngstown area, and President Chrlse’s one of them. Again, that’s great, that’s great. I mean, community is so important and it is interesting, like the arc of life right where you start in you’re pursuing things and you’re just out for you and then that kind of transitions over time, and it’s just truly more about others and how you can serve and really counting your blessings and being grateful for the things that you have around you in your day to day life. And you know, as we as we I don’t know if we’re around on third base or we’re in between second and third right now, but however you want to phrase that, um, you know we should be in a place in our lives because we’re the same age where you know your life is filled with joint happiness and you’re doing the things that you want to do in life to deliver on those different things. And and if you’re not there, and if you’re somebody listening to this podcast right now, you know you’ve got to really sit down and and and write your vision board, like where do you want to be? And I know that’s what you’ve done over the over your your time, of of the goals that you’ve set and the things that you’ve accomplished, is creating that vision board and always striving to go in that direction. And it’s a lot easier to be pulled in that direction where you don’t have all this negative weight on you absolutely. You know you say that vision board, you know, the subliminal mind. You know, it’s I find this and I don’t know if it’s like minded with you. When you get around former teammates, whether it be high school, college, or professional, your neurons are heightened, you know, and you recall things you know, and I don’t know if it’s if it’s just this connection you have with these hippo campuses coming together and you know, you share those stories. Hey, I remember you were in that dig rout and you got whacked on that plane. I shouldn’t have led you in there. You know. It’s so you have these these moments. But you know, my subliminal mind. You know, as much as people talk about writing things down, I think I write with my mind more than I do with my hand. You know, I see things, and I’m a visionary guy that you know, sees the good in people. You know, And because I challenge myself, you know, daily, because it’s so easy to turn that cheek and say I’m not you know, in today’s society, Mark, I mean, you know, people are cautious. I mean it is a violent through the world out there. If you want to succumb to that, right, But I choose to live in my world where I see happiness and more joy than anything, because happiness is fleeting. You know, one guy could be happy today and you know he looks at the stock market and his whole attitude changes, right, you know, based on one day. So you know, rightfully? So you know, I being around young student athletes, being around you know, kids that are my kid’s age, I draw from that. I draw parallels to see where my children are at. And it’s a selfish thing or a parent, but we always try to see engage where our kids are at. Right. You know, how about when we were in college. You know our eyes were bug eyes, right? I mean you know I always walking around with fifty thousand students, I mean fifty humans. What are they thinking? Let alone? You know that Tomczak sucks man. You played terrible against Stamford. You know I was one of the people booing him out of the stadium. And you know, it’s just one of those things where if I could be example to my children that later on in life, I could sit around as the grandfather and say, you know what, life’s work is good? On my piece, I think that’s great way to end it. Man, I so appreciate you coming on and uh you’re doing great work and I look forward to seeing it more events out into the future. It’s gonna be really cool to have a couple of familiar faces out there, and certainly you’re one of them. So uh so, and then note, thank you so much. You’re great and uh you know, it’s just it’s an honor to it gets to know you a little bit better. Likewise, I wish you well. And I was ten minutes into your NFL release that actually I found on New Orleans Saints website and I love it and the testimony I got to the Jim Mora when he was talking about carry The hardest challenge for you is going climbing up up the mountain with all that weight and balancing, and as you recited, it’s like running back to back marathons. I mean, I’m in your huddle, man, I’ve already looked you up and the party part of that wind that gets you there. But congrats, and and you’re gonna be a good friend. We’re gonna have a lot of time together. I wish you will. All right, everybody there is the one the only might come that thing.

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